Criticisms are one thing, but for Dave infer that we're:
"Four Doughy Fanboys with huge egos'; and that we were all wearing satin jackets with Ranma on the head of a dinosaur..."
And to be clear again, two of the Sherbert members were female (and not at all 'doughy' or obese) - goes a bit beyond actual criticism and honestly seems more personal than critical. You want to criticize what we've done? Great. But don't sit there on some high horse and try to say we must have some huge chip on our shoulder because we can't take criticism. But cheap shots based on a faulty memory can hardly be called criticism in my book. Please go take a look at "Ranma 1/2 Vacation" on Veoh and criticize away. I have no problem with actual criticism; and over the years, audience criticism has help us refine and improve what we do.
As for a large ego, do I and other members of Sherbert have them; and are they "larger" than most? Probably as many people wouldn't want to get in front of a microphone or spend hours editing a production for no compensation other than seeing an audience react. In fact, I'd say the relative egos of Sherbert Productions cast and crew's members are probably as big and swelled as those of CPF's cast and crew's members; as we do this for similar reasons.
As for Pam Buck, I have to say that I think in her case she was jealous of our technical ability and hated that if we were at the same convention; she felt we stole a lot of her thunder, and got upset at that; but again, what really bothered her is that she could never match our technical ability. But, that said, she definitely had a chip on her shoulder as far as we were concerned; and on a few occasions did get rather personal; so I responded by putting her in our "Dirty Pair II: Dirty Pair Does Disneyland" as a character; and had her bailing Adam Warren and Torren Smith (the guys who created the American version Dirt Pair comic of the 1990ies) out of jail. Also, things between Sherbert and Pinesalad mellowed and back in 1990; she even invited 4 of us to her Birthday party (and I still feel bad because when she invited us, she didn't tell us it was her birthday she was celebrating as I would have even brought a card). Still, if there's any 'bad feelings remaining, they're on her end. The only thing I will say is that it was interesting to see her over-react; or try to 'call us out' when we were at the same conventions. I actually documented some of that stuff on the Sherbert website; which has been down for about a year (believe me, I thought my Sherbert days were over - but that's another story in itself), but which I'll probably be putting back up on it's own domain within a month or so.
As for the Sheishun folks, they actually have a valid gripe because of a situation at Anime America 1991 that I to this day think was orchestrated by some members of Pinesalad Productions; but that's water under the bridge. Again, (and imo) it all stems from the fact that they couldn't match our technical ability back in the day of analog editing; and while I can say that I've never cared for their stuff either, I can acknowledge why they might still hold a grudge or something.
Still, I don't care for out and out personal attacks or gross mis-representations of our motives; and that's what compelled myself (and CorellianJones) to post replies here.
As for "Corne" not being a word per se; you are indeed correct; and I do apologize. But "Corne Pone" is a corn dish *(see this link):
and I actually and mistakenly thought that's how you spelled it - but I was wrong in that and I do apologize.
Bottom line: Criticize our policies and our works all you like; but when someone makes some out and out unjustified and rather personal comments regarding the people that have worked for Sherbert Productions; you damn well better believe I'm going to say something in response as (imo) that crosses the line. I'm still glad to see some of the "old guard" from the late 1980 -1990ies of anime fandom still talking about the 'good old days".
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Re: Sherbert and Sherbet are both correct
Date: 2008-05-12 03:58 am (UTC)Criticisms are one thing, but for Dave infer that we're:
"Four Doughy Fanboys with huge egos'; and that we were all wearing satin jackets with Ranma on the head of a dinosaur..."
And to be clear again, two of the Sherbert members were female (and not at all 'doughy' or obese) - goes a bit beyond actual criticism and honestly seems more personal than critical. You want to criticize what we've done? Great. But don't sit there on some high horse and try to say we must have some huge chip on our shoulder because we can't take criticism. But cheap shots based on a faulty memory can hardly be called criticism in my book. Please go take a look at "Ranma 1/2 Vacation" on Veoh and criticize away. I have no problem with actual criticism; and over the years, audience criticism has help us refine and improve what we do.
As for a large ego, do I and other members of Sherbert have them; and are they "larger" than most? Probably as many people wouldn't want to get in front of a microphone or spend hours editing a production for no compensation other than seeing an audience react. In fact, I'd say the relative egos of Sherbert Productions cast and crew's members are probably as big and swelled as those of CPF's cast and crew's members; as we do this for similar reasons.
As for Pam Buck, I have to say that I think in her case she was jealous of our technical ability and hated that if we were at the same convention; she felt we stole a lot of her thunder, and got upset at that; but again, what really bothered her is that she could never match our technical ability. But, that said, she definitely had a chip on her shoulder as far as we were concerned; and on a few occasions did get rather personal; so I responded by putting her in our "Dirty Pair II: Dirty Pair Does Disneyland" as a character; and had her bailing Adam Warren and Torren Smith (the guys who created the American version Dirt Pair comic of the 1990ies) out of jail. Also, things between Sherbert and Pinesalad mellowed and back in 1990; she even invited 4 of us to her Birthday party (and I still feel bad because when she invited us, she didn't tell us it was her birthday she was celebrating as I would have even brought a card). Still, if there's any 'bad feelings remaining, they're on her end. The only thing I will say is that it was interesting to see her over-react; or try to 'call us out' when we were at the same conventions. I actually documented some of that stuff on the Sherbert website; which has been down for about a year (believe me, I thought my Sherbert days were over - but that's another story in itself), but which I'll probably be putting back up on it's own domain within a month or so.
As for the Sheishun folks, they actually have a valid gripe because of a situation at Anime America 1991 that I to this day think was orchestrated by some members of Pinesalad Productions; but that's water under the bridge. Again, (and imo) it all stems from the fact that they couldn't match our technical ability back in the day of analog editing; and while I can say that I've never cared for their stuff either, I can acknowledge why they might still hold a grudge or something.
Still, I don't care for out and out personal attacks or gross mis-representations of our motives; and that's what compelled myself (and CorellianJones) to post replies here.
As for "Corne" not being a word per se; you are indeed correct; and I do apologize. But "Corne Pone" is a corn dish *(see this link):
http://www.rainbowgardensbookshop.com/cookbook.html
and I actually and mistakenly thought that's how you spelled it - but I was wrong in that and I do apologize.
Bottom line: Criticize our policies and our works all you like; but when someone makes some out and out unjustified and rather personal comments regarding the people that have worked for Sherbert Productions; you damn well better believe I'm going to say something in response as (imo) that crosses the line. I'm still glad to see some of the "old guard" from the late 1980 -1990ies of anime fandom still talking about the 'good old days".